White Student Union
I have wondered this since I was in high school and as I grow older I see it more and more. Why is there at every HS a black student union, an Asian student union, MECHA and so on and so forth, but no white student union? Some kid at my school tried to start one but they wouldn't let him, they said it would be racist. What? Why? How is it any different?Now as I get older I see the United Negro College Fund, the NAACP, the Hispanic Scholarship fund, affirmative action and many many more. If I started a scholarship only for white kids, I would be branded a racist and compared to Hitler. If I started a group called the National Association for the Advancement of White People, again, racist. Even if I gave out a scholarship to white kids whose parents were dead, junkies, broke, homeless or anything else, I would be a racist because I was giving it to white kids.
And affirmative action. If I was black or hispanic I would be insulted that people think the only way I can get a job or get into college is by the government forcing people to let me in because I am a certain color.
I just don't get it. The same person that tells you that we should not be judged by the color of our skin will turn around and give a free college education to a black kid because he is black. But if God forbid, anybody did anything to help poor white kids, they would be a racist.
If blacks can set up scholarships and programs for black kids, hispanics can do it for hispanic kids, asians can do it for asian kids, why are whites called racists when they do it for white kids?
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This is exactly the point I was trying to convey in the Martin Luther thread but people shit all over me.
Well said.
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and to add to your affirmative action point:
It makes these minorities into walking lawsuits. If you don't hire them, or if you fire them, they can play the race card and fuck you over bigtime.
Employers are afraid of these people and for good reason. With a bullshit law such as AA, they can cause alot of trouble.
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Affirmative action has started to lose momentum over the past few years. People are starting to see that, although its intentions are good, that it is flawed. By trying to combat racism it ultimatly creates new racism.
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I agree with affirmative action be bad...but as much as your points make sense this is still a country where white people are better off. The heads of most major corporations and our government are white. Many employers will still lean to hiring white men.
White groups that are racist are still prominent. In time things will change, but that won't be for a while.
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There IS a NAAWP, actually.
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"White groups that are racist are still prominent"
Uh, yeah, there are idiots all over the world, and I doubt they'll ever go away. However, there are equally violent groups of blackshispanics/asians that are racist against white people.
Look, I am 100% against racism, but it's ridiculous to state that AA is nothing but a way to create more racism, plain and simple. Let's fight racism with...separating and judging people based on their race? Great idea!
Political correctness has gone way too far in our country, as well, and I think that plays a huge role in the problems created by AA. Something really needs to be done about that before we can actually work at ridding the US of major acts of racism.
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Racism is not unique to white people.
Perhaps the reasons for there being a lot less racial minorities in business are:
A) They are a much smaller section of the population in general
>>>>> Let's fight racism with...separating and judging people based on their race? Great idea!
EXACTLY!
B) Many of them give off "street thug" vibes.
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It's called White Privilege dude. You have no idea (or take for granted, anyways) the massive amount of ease that has been added to your life simply because you were born with white skin.
It's good to question these things, but we as humans tend to attribute our success to internal forces like will or hard-working characteristics instead of thinking that perhaps it has some to do with outside forces like the way society is set up. I have no idea what it feels like to be a minority because I'm male, white, and born in America in a middle-class family. Because of this, I respect and support the MINISCULE ways in which society tries to right the MASSIVE wrongs that is pervasive racism in america and all over the world.
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^^^ yes, fight racism, by supporting favoritism and set-asides.
Yeah. Good job.
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You said pretty much what I originally said. Fighting racism with more racism is not a way to solve any problems. Anyone with half a brain could figure that one out.
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White priveledge? I went to public schools and due to my good grades was accepted into college. I had to take out student loans, which I am still repaying, in order to afford college. Then, due to my college education I got a good job. Where is the privledge? Everything I have is because I worked for it. Nobody has given me anything, which is more than I can say for anybody who got into school or got a job through AA.
BTW, how many years has it been since our society become completely integrated? Nobody under 70 has any right to bitch about being held back or anything else.
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You don't think about these because they are the norm. I've worked hard as shit to get where I've gotten but still appreciate the fact that I might have it easier than my non-white counterparts.
Daily effects of white privilege
1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
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You know, I read that exact same bullshit list from a feminist site describing all the benefits of being male.
You fail both at being original and being rational. I can thing of countless benefits of being a minority.
Maybe I'll post that as a new rant.
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so they're opening up a "black" school in the city of TO...and people all over are screaming bloody murder, because it's only going to perpetuate stereotypes already in place, not get rid of them. such a double standard...some former students of mine (only in grade 8!) moaned that we shouldn't treat them any different because of their skin colour (complete agreement), but then cried racism the second they were singled out because of their atrocious behaviour. our society is too sensitive...you have to watch what you say all the time otherwise you're branded a racist.
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Here's a list for ya:
1. If I am assaulted, verbally or physically, I can say it was based on my race (a hate crime) and have the perpetrators punished far more severely than they would be otherwise. My race, under the law, somehow seems to have a higher value. We are a higher form of human being than they are and therefore we need special protections and stiffer penalties for victimizing us (the feminists and us think alike). That's equality! You whites need to realize that.
2. If I am not hired, the employer is racist.
3. If I am fired, the employer is racist.
4. If I get arrested, the police are racist.
5. I can start a club or a holiday, celebration, etc. exclusively for my race and can openly and intentionally exclude people based on their race. However, if I am excluded, intentionally or not, I cry RACISM!
6. If I am running for President, I can use the fact that members of my race have never been President as a vehicle for support. Who cares if I am just another corrupt politician?
7. People are afraid to speak out against the inequalities favoring my race due to their fear of being called racist.
8. I wan't 50-50 representation in the workforce, and everywhere else. Nevermind the fact that my race is a much smaller portion of the population, it's equality! 50-50 is equal... except in the NFL or NBA for example. 50-50 is not equal there. 90-10 is equal under those circumstances. Affirmitive Action need not apply. Those places are perfectly diverse.
9. Diversity comes from skin color and skin color only. It has nothing to do with different backgrounds, etc. That's hooey!
10. My race is not allowed to be discriminated against. The others, well, fuck them!
11. I love freedom of speech. Unless it comes from someone of another race telling me I'm full of shit.
12. Many organizations exist to give my race special recognition and put my race's needs into the public spotlight. They speak of equality but really mean -MY- version of equality. (number 13)
13. Equality means my race should have everything the whites have no matter what. Some people call it favoritism and I just can't understand why they think that. They are racist!
14. The bad parts of real equality (ie. not my version), such as having to earn my own way, being hired based on my skills and not my skin color, etc. - well, I wan't none of that!
15. Affirmative Action is equality, not discrimination or favoritism. Get that through your thick skull, whitey!
16. I can say "nigger" but they cant! I'm not demanding MORE freedom of speech for myself and my race. No way.
17. Calling everyone racist who doesn't bend over backwards to my every whim is my favorite hobby!
18. My race is not capable of discrimination, favoritism, opportunism, or racism.
19. There are so many double standards favoring my race that I can't even see it.
feel free to add to this list....
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This is exactly the point I was trying to convey in the Martin Luther thread but people shit all over me. Well said.
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and to add to your affirmative action point: It makes these minorities into walking lawsuits. If you don't hire them, or if you fire them, they can play the race card and fuck you over bigtime.
Employers are afraid of these people and for good reason. With a bullshit law such as AA, they can cause alot of trouble.
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Affirmative action has started to lose momentum over the past few years. People are starting to see that, although its intentions are good, that it is flawed. By trying to combat racism it ultimatly creates new racism. Posted 8 months ago | Report
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I agree with affirmative action be bad...but as much as your points make sense this is still a country where white people are better off. The heads of most major corporations and our government are white. Many employers will still lean to hiring white men.White groups that are racist are still prominent. In time things will change, but that won't be for a while.
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There IS a NAAWP, actually.Posted 8 months ago | Report
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"White groups that are racist are still prominent"Uh, yeah, there are idiots all over the world, and I doubt they'll ever go away. However, there are equally violent groups of blackshispanics/asians that are racist against white people.
Look, I am 100% against racism, but it's ridiculous to state that AA is nothing but a way to create more racism, plain and simple. Let's fight racism with...separating and judging people based on their race? Great idea!
Political correctness has gone way too far in our country, as well, and I think that plays a huge role in the problems created by AA. Something really needs to be done about that before we can actually work at ridding the US of major acts of racism.
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Racism is not unique to white people.Perhaps the reasons for there being a lot less racial minorities in business are:
A) They are a much smaller section of the population in general
>>>>> Let's fight racism with...separating and judging people based on their race? Great idea!
EXACTLY!
B) Many of them give off "street thug" vibes.
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It's called White Privilege dude. You have no idea (or take for granted, anyways) the massive amount of ease that has been added to your life simply because you were born with white skin. It's good to question these things, but we as humans tend to attribute our success to internal forces like will or hard-working characteristics instead of thinking that perhaps it has some to do with outside forces like the way society is set up. I have no idea what it feels like to be a minority because I'm male, white, and born in America in a middle-class family. Because of this, I respect and support the MINISCULE ways in which society tries to right the MASSIVE wrongs that is pervasive racism in america and all over the world.
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^^^ yes, fight racism, by supporting favoritism and set-asides. Yeah. Good job.
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^You said pretty much what I originally said. Fighting racism with more racism is not a way to solve any problems. Anyone with half a brain could figure that one out.
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White priveledge? I went to public schools and due to my good grades was accepted into college. I had to take out student loans, which I am still repaying, in order to afford college. Then, due to my college education I got a good job. Where is the privledge? Everything I have is because I worked for it. Nobody has given me anything, which is more than I can say for anybody who got into school or got a job through AA.BTW, how many years has it been since our society become completely integrated? Nobody under 70 has any right to bitch about being held back or anything else.
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You don't think about these because they are the norm. I've worked hard as shit to get where I've gotten but still appreciate the fact that I might have it easier than my non-white counterparts.Daily effects of white privilege
1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.
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You know, I read that exact same bullshit list from a feminist site describing all the benefits of being male.You fail both at being original and being rational. I can thing of countless benefits of being a minority.
Maybe I'll post that as a new rant.
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so they're opening up a "black" school in the city of TO...and people all over are screaming bloody murder, because it's only going to perpetuate stereotypes already in place, not get rid of them. such a double standard...some former students of mine (only in grade 8!) moaned that we shouldn't treat them any different because of their skin colour (complete agreement), but then cried racism the second they were singled out because of their atrocious behaviour. our society is too sensitive...you have to watch what you say all the time otherwise you're branded a racist.Posted 8 months ago | Report
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Here's a list for ya:1. If I am assaulted, verbally or physically, I can say it was based on my race (a hate crime) and have the perpetrators punished far more severely than they would be otherwise. My race, under the law, somehow seems to have a higher value. We are a higher form of human being than they are and therefore we need special protections and stiffer penalties for victimizing us (the feminists and us think alike). That's equality! You whites need to realize that.
2. If I am not hired, the employer is racist.
3. If I am fired, the employer is racist.
4. If I get arrested, the police are racist.
5. I can start a club or a holiday, celebration, etc. exclusively for my race and can openly and intentionally exclude people based on their race. However, if I am excluded, intentionally or not, I cry RACISM!
6. If I am running for President, I can use the fact that members of my race have never been President as a vehicle for support. Who cares if I am just another corrupt politician?
7. People are afraid to speak out against the inequalities favoring my race due to their fear of being called racist.
8. I wan't 50-50 representation in the workforce, and everywhere else. Nevermind the fact that my race is a much smaller portion of the population, it's equality! 50-50 is equal... except in the NFL or NBA for example. 50-50 is not equal there. 90-10 is equal under those circumstances. Affirmitive Action need not apply. Those places are perfectly diverse.
9. Diversity comes from skin color and skin color only. It has nothing to do with different backgrounds, etc. That's hooey!
10. My race is not allowed to be discriminated against. The others, well, fuck them!
11. I love freedom of speech. Unless it comes from someone of another race telling me I'm full of shit.
12. Many organizations exist to give my race special recognition and put my race's needs into the public spotlight. They speak of equality but really mean -MY- version of equality. (number 13)
13. Equality means my race should have everything the whites have no matter what. Some people call it favoritism and I just can't understand why they think that. They are racist!
14. The bad parts of real equality (ie. not my version), such as having to earn my own way, being hired based on my skills and not my skin color, etc. - well, I wan't none of that!
15. Affirmative Action is equality, not discrimination or favoritism. Get that through your thick skull, whitey!
16. I can say "nigger" but they cant! I'm not demanding MORE freedom of speech for myself and my race. No way.
17. Calling everyone racist who doesn't bend over backwards to my every whim is my favorite hobby!
18. My race is not capable of discrimination, favoritism, opportunism, or racism.
19. There are so many double standards favoring my race that I can't even see it.
feel free to add to this list....
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