Fuck you Charleton Heston
Fuck you buddy. Moses was definately not packing heat when the exodus thing went down. Although I have to say it was sort of amusing that the president of the NRA had alzheimers when he was still the fucking president. Those assholes think EVERYONE should be allowed to own a gun. You went from a pseudoreligious icon to a lowlife. Thanks to you there is wonderful news to report. The same online gun dealer sold to the school shooter in both the Virginia tech shooting, and the NIU shooting. When asked if he felt guilty that he sold to school shooters, the man actually encouraged other college students to buy from him. Thats right, if everyone bought guns from this fuckhead, we could have shootouts in the classroom instead of massacres. great logic. Maybe you could just not be a douchebag. that would work to. We have the second highest number of guns per capita in the world, and by far the highest gun murder rates. Every year, almost 20, 000 people are killed with guns in this country. Compare that with the 3, 000 people that were killed in 9/11, which was supposedly a big deal. Every year we have 7 9/11's due to guns. Fuck you Heston. Enjoy your eternity in hellRating:4.65
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461. I am not arguing for the destruction of all the guns on earth, just domestic gun bans which the NRA is against in just about any form.
2. As in, do you know what the Bill of Rights, specifically the second ammendmant means, and actually serving your country to protect those rights?
is a terribly worded sentence. I think there should be a period after means, and then you should separately develop the thought after the comma because it seems to refer to, aww hell, what do I know? Im just the guy trying to read the damn thing. I must give credit where credit is due though, it is much better than
I'm very well aware of what it explicitly states, the right afforded to assholes like you and responsible gun owners like myself, and what it means to take an oath to protect the remaining articles of the bill of rights so fuckwads like you can run your mouth
couple of things here. First off, the second amendment has nothing to do with an oath. different ideas, different sentences. (little rule of thumb) Secondly, the bill of rights has amendments, not articles. perhaps you are thinking of the constitution. (or the articles of confederation) who knows? like I said -totally incomprehensable
3. you bash my guns and bombs analogy as having nothing to do with each other, and then seem to argue that it is a similar analogy. Yeah, I get it, a gun has more potentially useful and less destructive uses than and a bomb, but like you said, they take a person and a trigger. (See, we agree on something. AHcommon ground. It warms my heart.)
As to #45, Heston made it his life's work to fight gun restrictions. That is what the NRA does. When there is so much sentimate for a restriction, NRA lobbyists help make the bills so fucking worthless and unenforceable, that they are practically meaningless. Online sales of gun products is stupid, you have no idea who the hell you are dealing with. The NRA doesnt see a problem with it, and neither did Heston's alzheimer shriveled ass
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47I selctively chose the word "articles" in terms of the remaning items contained in the Bill of Rights. I'm aware that the BOR contains ammendments, it was just a poor word choice on my part.
Why ban guns from self respecting and conscientious gun owners? What would that solve? Absolutely NOTHING. Guns will always be available and resticting the rights of legal owners will do nothing but piss them off. Yeah, great.
I spoke of an oath in the sense of the one I took when I joined the military. You swear to protect and defend the consititution against enemies both foreign and domestic. Since I doubt you've served, you don't know that.
I'm not for online gun sales by any means. I think they're stupid. At least we agree on that. :)
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481. You are an arrogant prick. While I respect your service to our country, to belittle me of mine, and to question my patriotism without even knowing me is a blow of the lowest kind. My brother has served in both afghanistan and iraq. my father served in vietnam. And while, no, I have not personally donned the uniform (I will be the first male in the history of my family in this country to not go to war for it), I serve it in my own way. I attend law school. I will dedicate my life to fight for domestically what you have fought for abroad. For you to question my patriotism and to belittle my service is rediculous. My brother, who was injured in battle, and my father, who was also injured in battle appreciate what I am attempting to contribute to this country, and you should as well.
My argument with Heston and the NRA is that they oppose almost every ban, and the ones that they know will be passed, they muddle. We have way too many gun laws on the books. Meddling in the bills by NRA lobbyists is the reason. A handful of laws would get the job done. Instead we are left with a hodgepodge of meaningless and unenforceable mandates.
Crime in many cities has gone down by making felon in possession of a firearm a mandatory minimum 5 year sentence. That was opposed.
You wanna talk about bank robberies? How about the famous one in LA where the guys had body armor and automatics. Why is it legal to sell the conversion kit at a gun show next to the semi?
McVeigh, the LA bank robbers, and a hell of a lot of other really bad dudes use gun shows because they are lax. Of course, the NRA does not favor restricting them. If you want legal guns, which should be permissible in some circumstances, there needs to be tough laws, rigorous enforcement, and time and place restrictions. The NRA is against all of the above.
My father owns guns. I know how to shoot. Sportshunting and shooting is not the problem, but gun laws are not a serious threat to that, that is propaganda.
the fact of the matter is that an 8 month pregnant woman was raped in my town not too long ago at gunpoint. Numerous people are robbed. We have to do something.
There are actually student groups now organising and demanding the right to carry guns on college campuses. That is rediculous. (Remember, I said time and place restrictions)
College kids have the highest rate of suicide. The late teens and early 20's is when latent mental defects (like pyschizophrenia) manifest themselves. I dont give a damn about a license. I do not want the kid next to me packing heat when he finds out he failed the organic chemistry exam and is going to lose his scholarship.
Opposing gun laws accross the board is stupid. Absolutely stupid.
And so I say again FUCK YOU HESTON
now if you will excuse me, I have a bush to go eat
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50Gun control supporters are clueless. Why? Because for some reason they have this Utopian's idea of a world without guns when they argue their point but we all know that will never happen. They also never seem to get the point that criminals don't usually buy their guns from gun stores like law abiding citizens do. They don't register their guns and they sure as hell aren't going to turn them in because the government says to.
So, what's your argument? That all law abiding citizens who have registered a hand gun and can be forced to turn them over should do so because of a ban on guns? Wow, great plan. Then the only people that do have guns will be the criminals and the rest of us will be defenseless.
Do you think people rob banks with hand guns and rifles? Do students that kill their friends at school use hand guns or rifles? Not usually. Usually they use automatic weapons and they didn't get them at fucking Walmart you morons.
Do you people realize where Uzis and Glocks are made? Not in the U. S. So, if the U. S. bans hand guns (they'll never ban rifles), what will we have accomplished? The criminals will still use automatic weapons and get them from underground sources and most of them will be from foreign countries that don't give a shit about our hand gun law.
You people ever heard of the war on drugs? Drugs are illegal and yet we spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year trying to stop people from selling drugs. Where has that gotten us? Making something illegal doesn't stop anything. Wake up.
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5149: I'd hardly consider that pwnage. And your comment is hardly insightful, dimwit.
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52Now, on with the show.
I wasn't questioning your patriotism, I merely questioned whther you'd served or not. Going off the tone of some of your comments, I called it correctly. Shame on me for that, I guess.
As a prior servicemember and out of respect for those in your family that made the same sacrifice, I thank them, for upholding the oath they both took (as well as any others in your family that may have). You choosing not to do so and become an asshole, er, lawyer, is your choice, and I respect that in the same as a heady career decision. At least you're not sitting on your ass and living in your' mom's basement smoking out and watching Nascar, eh?
As far as gun shows, I've been to plenty and not once have I EVER seen a full auto conversion kit sold side by side with assault weapons. EVER. I'm from AZ, and trust me when I say that we like our guns and shows. There is a LOT you have to go through to even be considered for a full auto stamp, and the FBI background check is only one of them. If you know about the case in LA, you should know that they ILLEGALLY modified those AKs, not had them converted.
Further, at least in AZ and NV (where I lived prior to moving back here), you still had to have a telephone background check done when buying a handgun by a state agency. There's simply no "gimme that pistolero right there so I can go knock off a Circle K in ten minutes" or whatever. That's simply buillshit. Again, as a lawyer, you should know that. Whatever.
Supporting gun control legislation across the board is fucking dumb; also, shooting down each and every gun control bill is similarly stupid. Overt gun control solves nothing and will only propagate the black market. Again, putting on a stranglehold to sensible and law abiding gun owners solves absolutely NOTHING.
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You can continue to ignorantly try to define the debate any way you want. I have said numerous times that I do not envision a world without guns. For you to continue to claim that that is what I advocate is stupid.
Most robberies are not committed with automatic weapons, they are just memorable when they are because the police are outgunned. as I remember, the VA Tech shooter was using handguns, not uzis.
You need to wise up
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54So you know, I didn't write #50. Perhaps I'll start signing mine so we know who is who..
-Ghost
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To suggest that my service or lack thereof in the military has anything to do with this debate, or the validity or improtance of my opinions in it is to be suggesting that either i am not patriotic enough to have an opinion, or that i am somehow less valued as a citizen. There is a reason you brought it up, and we both know it. I say nonsense. And as for the lawyer joke, if there were no lawyers, the bill of rights wouldnt be worth the paper it is written on. With noone defending it at home, you are swearing to defend nothing in military service. So what, the right to bear arms? Yeah, keep your appendages, but you have no right to guns, which are weapons and not arms, which are appendages. See how easy that was? understand the importance of having people to defend your rights instead of just letting a few regulators reinterpret them every couple of years?
First of all, there are more licensed gun dealers than gas stations in this country. That is not conducive to proper controls on the industry.
Second, neither one of us is saying across the board gun laws. (nobody should be allowed to own a gun)
Rather, I think, once you have committed a crime of violence, a sex offense, or theft you should not be allowed to own a gun. (I know, we have similar laws, but they are generally not very easy things in most jurisdictions)
Violations of this law should result in an automatic mandatory minimum 5 year prison sentence. No parole. Get caught with a gun, catch a dick in your ass.
Then I would further regulate types of guns. AKs, autos, massive clips, etc (once again, we have them, but they are too complicated) Once again, fuck me in the ass federal prison time for violators.
Finally, I would make it far more difficult to be a dealer. Perhaps raise the money for a license or something to provide for enforcement. One violation of the law (outside of speeding, parking violations) and you lose that permit. Sell to a felon, do time with him.
It is not hard, but you really need reform to make it that simple. Not more restrictive (well, a little more restrictive, but not like no guns) but different. If you mention the words gun control, the NRA and Heston are against you before you finish your sentence.
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56Since this system is stupid and keeps thinking I'm trying to add in a URL, I'm going to have to break my comment up into pieces; for that, I apologize.
-Ghost
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57The word arms has many meanings and I suppose that it could be twisted through legaleze to mean solely the two appendages on my upper torso. It clearly is a matter of context. We need lawyers for some things and not others. Chasing ambulances is a good example. That was a joke, okie doke?
Where'd you come up with the gas stations and gun dealers premise? Got a factual piece of data to back that up or is that smoke out your ass? I know there's a hell of a lot of gas stations, and I don't honestly suspect there's quite that many gun shops in the U. S. If so, shame on me; until I see a legitimate site however, I don't buy it.
As far as the current statues state, once you are a CONVICTED felon, you lose any rights what so ever to owning a firearm. That's it and no bullshit. You get caught with one, that's illegal possession of a firearm and you go to the joint for that DIYA. I expected you would know that. As far as mandatory time, that I don't know about but I'm certain they're not going to give you a cake walk.
Many firearms are already regulated and assault rifles are the main target of that regulation. Why should they be so heavily regulated? Why? Because they carry more than five rounds in the magazine? Because they're scary looking? Because they have better killing punch than an AR-15? Hmm. I dunno, and I don't care since I already own one. We don't need to re-hash the full auto thing- that's been covered previously. As far as massive clips, I can agree to that somewhat. There's no need for a 100 round drum magazine unless you're going to battle somewhere, but you're not getting my 30 round AK mags or my 20 round HK91 mags or my 30 round AR15 mags. Fuck that. Those were already made hard as shit to buy once and I'm glad I got more when the ban ended.
I agree with you on the dealer end. Some people have gotten their licenses too easily and more should be done to ensure no BS is going on with their application and if so, they get DIYA.
-Ghost
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58So you know, I didn't try to implicitly question your patriotism by stating that since you didn't serve you're not patriotic; I simply mentioned it in relation to the oath that military personnel take to defend the constitution and that you didn't take it is all. If you take direct offense to that, that's on you but know that it wasn't intended in that manner.
-Ghost
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59yeah, the damn thing wont let me post a url either, and I wasnt even trying, I think the admin has changed something, and its pissing me off. I will no try to post a url getting creative, so figure it out
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60I was a little outdated in my stats. Ten years ago, gun dealers outnumbered gas stations, but not anymore link:
trip dubyas csmonitor dotcom backslash2006backslash0314backslah p02s01 -ussc dot html
or you could google number of gun dealers in the us and find sites
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